The Heart of Paul – Interview with Charles Willis



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Charles Willis is the author of The Heart of Paul, a workbook on the life of the Apostle Paul designed to be used in Teenage Bible Classes. The workbook encourages open discussion of relevant issues for the spiritual development of Christian teens.

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TM: Tell us about your background.

Christian parents?
I am the third child of Donald and Marilyn Willis. Both were raised up in Christian homes and served God all their lives. My father preached the gospel full time beginning at age 16 in East Texas and retired from preaching in 2009. During his life he served as an elder and led many individuals to the Lord. My father passed from this life in 2011. In her life, my mother has demonstrated the essence of Christianity in her godly attitudes and heart to serve others. I count myself as fortunate to have been raised in a household that believed in God so strongly.

Siblings?
I have three siblings: Cathy Price, Don Willis, Jr., and Christie Estes.

Where you grew up?
I was raised in and around Houston, Texas. Most of my formative years were spent in Conroe, Texas, just thirty minutes north of Houston. I am a graduate of Willis High School (in Willis, Texas) and earned a Bachelor’s Degree in Music Education from Sam Houston State University.

Wife & children?
While in college I met Dee Hopper whom I married in 1988. She has been a Christian since not long after we met and it has been a great joy to see her faith grow. She is a wonderful example to me and has been of tremendous support both when I taught school and even more as I labor as an evangelist.  God has blessed us with two wonderful children. Our son, Joshua, has just completed his first year of studies at Florida College. Our daughter, Rachel, is completing her Junior year of High School. Both have obeyed the gospel and have a rich faith of their own.

How you decided to preach?
I decided to preach after teaching Jr. High Band for ten years. I had done some preaching on the side and was feeling guilty as I drove to work every morning. I felt there was something better I could be doing with my time. I love teaching music, but I was teaching the wrong subject. I determined, with my wife, that if we were ever going to desire to preach, we were going to have to take a leap of faith. If I was not successful at preaching we felt I could easily return to teaching music.

TM: Where are some places you have lived and labored as a preacher?

One week after school dismissed in 1998, I moved to Knoxville, Tennessee and began laboring as the evangelist for the Northside Church of Christ where I remained for four and a half years. The brethren there were very helpful and encouraging to me and allowed me the opportunity to study deeply and engage in a lot of one-on-one teaching opportunities. In January of 2003 I moved to New Caney, Texas where I continue to labor today. In many ways it was like coming home. New Caney is located about thirty minutes East of Conroe. My father started the work in New Caney while I was in High School and my wife was baptized that church building while we were in college. Some of the individuals were still in New Caney and it has been a great blessing to labor among them. Many individuals have obeyed the gospel in my ten years in New Caney, in part because of the tremendous loving attitude that exists in the congregation – a love for each other and a love for the truth. I am continuously thankful to God that I am allowed to count as brethren such wonderful people of faith.

TM: What is an enjoyable aspect of preaching for you?

The teacher in me loves "the light bulb moment" when someone learns something new or suddenly grasps a concept. I love seeing people get excited about God’s word. This is most often seen in private studies and is an enjoyable aspect of my efforts as an evangelist. The question is about an enjoyable aspect of "preaching." I like to think my efforts make a difference in the lives of people. There is a satisfaction to my efforts that I’ve never experienced anywhere else. This remains a motivation that drives me to do my very best in everything I do as an evangelist. My words (written or spoken) may just touch someone’s heart so that they are encouraged to serve God. I don’t know that I would say this is "enjoyable," but it is a very important aspect of my work. I would have to say the most "enjoyable" aspect of "preaching" is the time available to study Scripture for myself and the association with God’s people.

TM: What is a challenging part of preaching?

A challenge for me is to keep the message meaningful. I was not always a preacher. I "sat in the pews" until I was almost thirty years of age and I heard some excellent preaching, and I heard some that was not very good. I strongly remember some of my thoughts during the weaker lessons about "why is this being presented," "what am I to take away from this," "what does this mean for me." I work very hard to bring applications that are meaningful, relevant and pointed. I don’t want to waste anyone’s time, but more importantly I view every opportunity to preach as a moment in time afforded me by God to speak His truth. I don’t want to waste His time with meaningless words or sermon points with no "meat." This is a constant challenge for all preachers, but one which is very personal to me.

TM: What was the motivation behind writing this workbook?

My book was conceived as an effort to examine the attitudes which Paul expresses about himself. We have so much information about Paul, it is well worth our time to examine what is revealed about his heart. Everyone agrees he possessed a faith which many believe is personally unattainable. Everyone agrees his heart pleased God. We should by all means learn what we can from what has been revealed. The workbook is a topical examination of twelve principles ranging from submission, to the conscience, and  prayer, but in each topic the main Scriptures examined are statements Paul makes about himself. The book is a study of his example. My motivation for writing the book was two-fold. 1) I wanted to examine these things for myself and determined to lead others in that journey with me. So I have taught this material as I was studying. 2) I believe a class environment is an excellent place for brethren to be encouraged as we hear each other speak of our faith and belief in Scripture. I am a strong proponent for on-topic discussions in our Bible class environment. I created these materials to purposefully generate good biblical discussions. A question that can be answered "yes" or "no" has it’s place, but generally does not force a contemplation of God’s word. Through an open discussion format I have found I often am shown things in a text I had not seen, though I had studied deeply. For me, it is a class format that works very well in my local work. Over the years, I’ve heard from some who also state good Biblical discussion was experienced when they used my materials. It is hoped through publishing this book a larger number of people will benefit.

TM: Was there one aspect of this project that was especially hard?

The first three lessons have many similarities, and some may want to argue it is one lesson covering three weeks worth of material. The topics are inter-related, but can be profitably studied in the way I have divided the material in three lessons on "An Obedient Heart," "A Submissive Heart," and "An Humble Heart." That division of material was the hardest to separate. The remainder of the topics were much easier to arrange.

TM: What was the most enjoyable part of the project?

Finishing it. Bringing my efforts to the point of bearing fruit. Not in publishing a book, but in seeing the book used and lives being impacted in that way. When we finished our study of this material in New Caney, it marked the end of long effort and I felt as if I had accomplished a good thing. Bringing this book to more readers is similarly fulfilling.

TM: Did you teach through the material as you were developing it?

No. My process is to write the material in advance. I write a lot of material for our local use and am generally writing three months or more before it will be used. I prefer to hand out a finished workbook rather than individual lessons as we go through the quarter. So the material was completely developed before I taught it. After I taught the study, I made corrections (not just grammar, but concepts and additional references that were brought up in the course of the study). So these lessons have been used profitably before I ever submit them to publication.

TM: Is there anything else you would like to address?

I love feedback. If you work through any of my books, I would welcome a comment about what you thought. I also want folks to know I am available for questions about the study, or about any of my books. I can be contacted at CLW@NCTV.com.

Destructive, Damnable, Deceit of the Devil (3)

There are many ways in which the devil seeks to deceive men. He tries to get those who are forgiven of their sins to forsake the Lord by promising them freedom. This is very often pushed on us in the area of morality (2 Pet. 2:18-22). Instead of freedom, we get slavery.

Another way Satan subtly sneaks up on us is through false doctrine. He is especially successful at getting men to think they are saved, when in fact they are not. Among the denominations it is popular to believe in faith-only salvation. This is contrary to God’s word (Jas. 2:24; Acts 2:38; 22:16; Rom. 10:9-13). Frequently there is a “twin” doctrine of demons accompanying this, perseverance of the saints; more commonly known as once saved always saved.

This destructive doctrine is like others, built on half-truths and outright lies. Its popularity stems from its delusional comfort.

There are several passages used to prop up once saved always saved. Ephesians 1:13 is used to show that a Christian is “sealed” by the Holy Spirit. The interpretation is that “sealed” is the same idea of having a sealed vault or sealed jar. However, “sealed” can carry other meanings. For instance, Jesus had the seal of God the Father (Jn. 6:27). Jesus was approved by God. He did what God willed and therefore had His seal. When a Christian does what the Holy Spirit directs, the Christian has the seal of the Holy Spirit; spiritually stamped, if you will.

The same truth is conveyed in Romans 8:16, 17 where Paul said, “The Spirit Himself bears witness with your spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.” How does the Spirit bear witness? Simply look at the work of the Holy Spirit; revelation and confirmation of the truth (Jn. 16:13; Mk. 16:20). The miracles of the Holy Spirit were secondary to the revelation of the gospel. His work, in this context, is chiefly the New Testament. In it He bears witness of what it takes and who it is to be a Christian. When we do what He says, our spirit is giving testimony that we believe and accept the way to be God’s child. Hence, His Spirit bears testimony with our spirit.

Another passage often cited to support the deceit of once saved always saved is John 10:27-29. The argument goes that a Christian will never lose salvation because the Father prevents it. That is not what the passage says. Rather, Jesus said His followers are those who “hear” His voice and “follow” Him. One can quit hearing the truth (2 Tim. 4:2-5). One can also quit following the Lord (Jn. 6:66). If those who “hear” and “follow” Jesus are His sheep, then those who do not hear or follow Him are not His sheep. Besides, John 10:27-29, says that “no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.” This is a far cry from that person voluntarily leaving the Father. As long as a Christian is faithful, walking in truth, it is true that no one, even Satan, can take him away from the Father. However, if a Christian buys into the deceit of the devil he has left the safety of the Father’s hand. One cannot walk in darkness and be in fellowship with God (1 Jn. 1:5-10).

Further, there are many passages that explicitly teach saints can fall from grace. Those who seek to be justified by a means other than the gospel will fall and be severed from Christ (Gal. 5:1-4). Paul warns Christians to beware lest they fall (1 Cor. 10:12). How can he warn against what is not possible? The warning is because it is possible. In 2 Peter 2:18-22, the whole point is that some who were saved are no longer saved; they returned to sin and Satan.

Finally, consider these two scriptures. “Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble” (2 Pet. 1:10). “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil. 2:12). What on earth do these passages mean if not that a Christian’s salvation is not irrevocably given? We are plainly told to keep working, stay at it, don’t give up or walk away. If we do, we will go to hell.

The destructive, damnable deceit of the devil is powerful. He allures people away from the Lord by making them feel secure in Him. This is some of the most difficult error to overcome because people think they are saved and do not want to consider they are lost. We need to do what we can to counteract this lie with the truth of God.

— Steven F. Deaton

Whom Should We Use?

By Norman Fultz

There is almost never an abundance of workers for any facet of service in the Lord’s church, and filling the vacancies is, therefore, not an easy task. The persons charged with the responsibility of making assignments do not have enviable jobs, and they are often the object of criticism because of some of the assignments made. The question of whom to use in public service or teaching roles is a live one in most congregations. Since various factors are involved, some are often used whose use is of questionable wisdom.

It is a common practice in too many congregations to use, both in the public worship periods and in the teaching program, some members who are plainly unfaithful. Their use often results in sneers and ridicule against the church as a whole.

But, someone queries, who are the unfaithful? There are several factors that may be considered. Unfaithfulness in attendance is by no means the only barometer, but certainly should not be ignored. Hebrews 10:25 is still in the Bible. General unfaithfulness in daily living is a fact often unchallenged in some who are used in the work of the church. Paul advised the Philippians, “Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ . . .” (Phil. 1:27). The New International Version renders the passage, “Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.” But unfaithfulness might, be better understood by considering faithfulness. Faithfulness encompasses continuing in the doctrine of the apostles (Acts 2:42), of Christ (2 John 9), holding the traditions of the apostles (2 Thess. 2:15). It signifies being full of faith and living a life harmonious to the word of faith. Unfaithfulness is a failure in this regard.

What possible reasons could one give for using the unfaithful? In some cases, the person involved is a prominent person in the community and a nominal member of the church. The use of such prominent citizens is prestigious. Or the use of some who are unfaithful may be brought about by pressure exerted by some influential members, themselves not as spiritual as they should be and who because of friendship with and sentiment toward the unfaithful appeal for his use. In still other instances, the unfaithfulness may not always be known by the faithful. There always have been hypocrites.

When objections are raised about the use of those in question in an effort to justify their use, it is argued that their use may encourage them to become faithful. But there is another side to that coin. Their use might just blind them to their own unfaithfulness-“After all, I must not be too bad since they still use me.” Or their use might encourage less diligence from others who see them being used in spite of their unfaithfulness.

In a further attempt to justify the use of some who are not faithful, the question is often sneeringly asked, “Who is to make the judgment since no one is perfect?” Admittedly there are some problems, but let us not forget that we do have a standard. And there is such a thing as one who is spiritual (Gal. 6:1), one who is faithful (2 Tim. 2:2), and one who holds fast the faithful word (Tit. 1:9). Let us, therefore, be wary lest we create irreverent situations by making use of some who ought not be used (Psa. 24:3-4). And, like it or not, someone does have to make judgments.

Some “not so hypothetical” situations can illustrate the awkwardness caused by using the unfaithful. Suppose a fellow who engages in social drinking is a Bible class teacher. What can be expected of him when questions arise from the class regarding the use of intoxicating beverages by the child of God? Or suppose a fellow who does not know what a night service of the church even looks like is making the announcements. He admonishes everyone to be back for the evening service and midweek services, but everyone knows he has no intention of being there when he says it. Or what about the teacher of a class who frequently forsakes the assembly trying to adequately instruct the class which has progressed to Hebrews 10:25? Or the person who lets every amusement or the engaging in his hobby come between him and the services of the church trying to drive home a lesson on “seeking first the kingdom” (Matt. 6:33)? Not only does the use of the unfaithful create an air of awkwardness, but must surely be laughable to some members and to aliens and repugnant to God.

Whom then should we use? Well, I have known a few coaches of basketball teams through the years, and it seems fairly standard procedure for them to make use of the team members who show up for practice and who follow the rules calculated to keep them in proper shape. And I have even known of a few instances where some players who did not feel like they needed the practice had their uniforms taken away from them or where they were penalized by having to “warm the bench” for a few games. But there are some Biblical principles we might profitably notice, negatively and positively.

There are some things that do not determine who should be used. Physical age of the child of God should not prohibit. Gideon was “the least” (probably meaning the youngest) in his father’s house, but God could use him to deliver Israel from Midian (Judges 6:15), and Samuel was a child when God first spoke through him (1 Sam. 3:1-18). On the other hand, Moses was eighty when God called him from the burning bush to go and deliver Israel from Egypt (Acts 7:23,30). One’s educational standing need not deter. Of Peter and John, it is said, “They were unlearned and ignorant men” (Acts 4:13), but of Paul that he had “much learning” (Acts 26:24). Yet all accomplished much in the Lord’s cause. Furthermore, material possessions are not a determinant. Gideon’s family was poor in Manasseh (Judges 6:15), but Abraham was “very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold” (Gen. 13:2), and both of them made the honor roll of Hebrews 11.

There are some things, though, that should determine who is used in the public service of the church. Since there are some who are spiritual (Gal. 6:1; Rom. 8:5-8), some who are faithful (2 Tim. 2:2), some who are learning (Heb. 5:12-14) and growing (2 Pet. 2:2; 2 Pet. 3:18), let these be used. The service of the Lord should be conducted by those whose lives reflect his teaching, not by those whose use makes the church a laughing stock and a reproach.

It would be well for us to remember that we can “be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet (fit or useful) for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.” But to do so, one must “purge himself’ of those things that are dishonorable (2 Tim. 2:20-21).

Truth Magazine XXII: 27, pp. 439-440
July 13, 1978

Bible Basics: “Only Believe?”

By Earl Robertson

The extreme anxiety suffered by those who circumvent the word of God which demands man’s obedience for salvation, by preaching salvation by faith only is surely the “devil’s tea”. What is to be gained by rejecting all Jesus teaches for salvation? Nothing. One remains in his sins by such action. Perversion of scripture damns rather than saves (2 Pet. 3:15, 16). Yet, this is the usual procedure of denominational preachers.

Recently a preacher wrote under the heading “Only Believe-But Believe,” using the case of Jesus’ raising from death the twelve year old daughter of Jairus (Mark 5:22-43). The preacher wrote, “It was Jesus who said, `Only believe.’ If anyone objects to the doctrine of faith and only faith as God’s appointed channel of salvation, let such an objector realize that he is not merely finding fault with Baptist, but with the very word of our gracious Lord.”

The account in Mark 5:22-43 has absolutely nothing to do with salvation from sin! It had to do with one begging Jesus to lay his hands on his sick daughter, that she would be healed and live (Mark 5:23). Jairus asked not for himself, but for his daughter; he asked not for her salvation from sin, but a restoration of her health that she might continue to live. However, in the meantime, one came from Jairus’ house saying unto him, “Thy daughter is dead: why trouble thou the Master any further?” When this was spoken, Jesus said to Jairus, “Be not afraid, only believe.” In this situation what could Jairus do? His daughter was dead. Jesus did not tell Jairus to repent of his sins, pray, or anything else. It was not a sin question, it was a physical death reality. Jesus raised her from the dead; He did not save Jairus from sin!

We do indeed “object to the doctrine” of faith only as the “channel of salvation,” because the word of God does not teach it, and this preacher perverted Mark 5 in attributing this doctrine to Jesus. The preacher lifted a text from its context and only has a pretext! It is violence to the word of God. Our conclusion is not “finding fault with . . . the very word of our gracious Lord,” but a prevention of permitting promiscuous pandering of the truth on weak and unlearned souls.

Jairus was a ruler of the synagogue, a Jew. He was a child of God already, and served the Lord in synagogue service prior to his meeting Jesus. The term “ruler” translates the prefix which designated Jairus over synagogue service. Lexicographers tell us the ruler’s duty was “to select the readers or teachers in the synagogue, to examine the discourses of the public speakers, and to see that all things were done with decency and in accordance with ancestral usage.”

Jesus said, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved” (Mk. 16:16). Peter said, “Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins . . .” (Acts 2:38). “Then they that gladly received his word were baptized . . .” (Acts 2:41). This plainly shows the plan of salvation stated and applied. Faith, repentance and baptism for remission of sins is not the “faith only channel of salvation,” as asserted presumptuously by the preacher; in fact it is not “faith only” anything. “Let God be true and every man a liar” (Rom. 3:4).

Truth Magazine XXII: 27, p. 439
July 13, 1978