Sitting By The River

By Olen Holderby

The deep craving of the heart is often seen in the songs that we sing; and these, most often, offer scenes of peace  calm and quite moments. Moments to relax, to think, to plan, with a serenity that breeds confidence and hope. We sing about this in the context of roads (On The Jericho Road), valleys (Peace In The Valley), lands (Where We’ll Never Grow Old), mountains (Hilltops Of Glory), and flowers (Where The Roses Never Fade). Gardens often get our attention here. “The Beautiful Garden of Prayer” is often heard ringing in the halls of praises; and, what a calm this can bring to the soul! Then, there is the old favorite that reads, “I come to the garden alone, while the dew is still on the roses; And the voice I hear, falling on my ear; the Son of God discloses. And He walks with me, and He talks with me, and He tells me I am His own. And the joy we share as we tarry there, none other has ever known.” In spite of all this, there is a scene that appears to make an even greater appeal.

Sitting by the river! We sing about the “Home on the Banks of the River,” or, “There Will be Light at the River.” This may be followed with, “Shall We Gather at the River?” Another song begins, “When peace like a river, attendeth my way.” Psalm 23 is, perhaps, the best known, with its, “He leadeth me beside the still waters.” This is not limited to spiritual matters; for we see it in secular writings. One is seen walking through half-knee-high grass toward the river. He reaches the river and finds a shade near its bank; he sits down, with a tree to his back, and calmly tosses pebbles into the quiet stream. Nothing seems to disturb him; he is peacefully thinking, planning, solving the problem that sent him there. And, we expect him to return refreshed and ready to look the devil in the face. Alas, it ’twas not always this way!

“By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.” But, read on, “We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof. For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion. How shall we sing the Lord’s song in a strange land? If I forget thee, 0 Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. If I remember not thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy”(Psa.137). Their “sitting by the river” was not a calm, peaceful, refreshing moment; but one of bitterness and anxiety. Their weeping was a little on the late side; and, the scene of sadness was brought on by their own conduct.

Some day, my friend, you will be “sitting by the river.” What kind of a scene will it be?

Guardian of Truth XXXVIII: 12, p. 15
June 16, 1994

A Big Family

By Ken Leach

It was a Thursday night and the gospel meeting in Perry, Florida had been well attended by enthusiastic brethren plus many visitors from the community. About fifteen minutes before services began I was standing in the lobby greeting those who had come to worship. As I turned towards the door, there stood the wife of one of the closest friends I have on this earth. They were vacationing in south Florida and had driven some six hours that day to surprise me with their attendance. Immediately I sensed something was not right with Betty as she asked me to step outside. I went to the front porch and there my friend Bob was standing clutching his chest and asking for someone to help him get to a hospital. I immediately went to Ken Cooper (the preacher at Spring Warrior in Perry) and he took off for the hospital with Bob and Betty.

Shaken, I re-entered the building and asked one of the elders if I could say a word to the audience before we began the service. With a deep breath, I began and explained the situation. Aren’t we blessed that God designed the deep breath? Then over one hundred brethren, in one accord, went to our Holy Father in earnest prayer beseeching him to care for our beloved brother. As I now look back on that occasion, I recall a little saying a friend of mine from Texas said one day when he learned that we had a mutual Christian acquaintance … “it isn’t a small world, it’s a big family.” Surely it was evident to me as never before that the “abundant life” of John 10:10 includes a “big family” of brethren who would pour their righteous hearts out for a brother and sister they had never met. I am told that a new feeling of togetherness came to that gathering of saints in Perry, Florida. I am told it did them good. I know it did me and Bob good.

As I talked the other day with my friend who survived the ordeal and is now home in Arizona, he said over and over how the many visits, prayers and phone calls strengthened him. He talked of his and Betty’s plans to travel next year to Florida and meet personally those wonderful Christians in Perry and Tallahassee who “shared the burden.” He spoke of renewed commitment to Christ and a new awareness of the blessings attendant to the “big family.” We shed a tear together when thinking of death, but more than that, over the blessings of being loved by those of like precious faith.

My heart felt thanks to those Perry brethren. You have strengthened me and encouraged me to good works. I am more committed than ever to lend a helping hand. How grand will be the great day when we can surround the throne and sing the new song together.

Guardian of Truth XXXVIII: 11, p. 13
June 2, 1994

Not All Questions Make Human Creeds

By Ron Halbrook

I regret the need for this discussion but am glad to have it with him, knowing his kind spirit. Both of us intend to conduct ourselves as Christians (Matt. 7:12). We hope to promote study, not start a running battle. I am glad to defend the action of the West Columbia church and its elders because our action is authorized by Scripture. With the elders’ permission, I will use some material which they have used in communicating with others on this topic. On behalf of the elders and the whole church, I commend brother Turner for expressing his reservations without bitterness. We are not far apart as we begin our study; may God help us to be even closer together at its end, “for we be brethren” (Gen. 13:8).

Bible Basis for Asking Questions on Current Issue

Anti-literature brethren called literature “creedalistic” and anti-class folks called classes “denominational,” but that did not make it so. Brethren showed such practices were scriptural under the generic authority to teach.Every passage instructing elders to watch, oversee, and guard the church authorizes them to ask questions by generic authority (Acts 20:28-32; 1 Pet. 5:1-4). 1 Timothy 4:1-3 warns about the rise of certain specified issues: “forbid-ding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats.” That did not mean Paul was unconcerned about other matters, but the Ephesian elders were authorized to ask preachers questions such as:

1. Do you forbid to marry? 2. Do you command to abstain from meats? 3. Do those who forbid to marry depart from the faith? 4. Do those who command to abstain from meats depart from the faith? 5. Does preaching “Jesus Christ, and him crucified” include warning of the departures mentioned above?

Someone may disagree with our elders’ format, timing, wording, or some other judgment, but they are authorized to ask specific questions.

1 John 4:1-6 charged early saints to ascertain what preachers believed about certain false doctrines circulating at that time. Brethren were to “try the spirits” with this test: “Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God.” This investigation could include asking a man orally or in writing, “Do you teach that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?” If he answered, “I teach only the Bible,” a proper response would have been, “What does the Bible say on this specific subject?” 1 John 4 commands all of us to test teachers; the eldership here chose to send out questions as one way to obey that command.

Paul dealt with a specific list of questions and issues which were current in Corinth (1 Cor., chapter noted):

1. too much confidence in preachers (1-4), 2. moral issues such as living in adultery (5), 3. going to law with brethren (6), 4. danger of fornication (6), 5. marriage questions (7), 6. meats offered to idols (8-10), 7. role of women (11), 8. Lord’s Supper (11), 9. disorder in worship by abuse of miraculous gifts (12-14), 10. doctrine of the resurrection (15), and 11. collection on the first day of the week (16).

Brethren were warned not to support teachers who taught different doctrines on any of these matters (1 Cor. 4:6, 17; 14:37;15:33-34;2Cor.6:11-18;11:13-15).Such passages authorize elders to question preachers on their stand on Bible issues at any time. When they ask, we are authorized to “always give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you” (1 Pet. 3:15). To ask and answer elders’ questions no more makes a human creed than to ask and answer questions during a debate (Acts 15:2,7; “dispute” definition).

The elders have discussed for years the need to be as careful as possible in our overall program of spreading the gospel and supporting preachers. The questions reflect many such discussions with the elders, although I did the writing, as they often have me do. Most questions relate to divorce and remarriage, such as those the elders asked Don Givens in 1985 (GOT, 7 May 1992). They have agonized over the growing trend for reputable men to waver (Don Givens, Homer Hailey, Lowell Williams, Jerry and Don Bassett, W.L. Wharton, Terry Sumerlin, etc.). PietJoubert has been supported for years because brethren did not ask questions (recent Paul Williams report, South Africa). The use of these questions was the decision of local elders in the work of a local church. A few other brethren have asked for a copy in wrestling with the same problems. Whether they use a similar format is their own decision. We leave local churches to do their own work. There is no brother-hood wide organization, questionnaire, or mechanism for reviewing the work of preachers on a brotherhood basis, just local churches making independent decisions. The bottom line is our elders do not intend to support men who spread dangerous error on divorce and remarriage, or any other form of digression.

Brother Turner, The Elders, and I Agree

Brother Turner, the elders, and I agree that the passages he cited teach that the whole counsel of God is the only standard of truth, excluding human creeds of every kind (2 Cor. 10:12-13; Acts 20:28-32;1 Pet. 3:15; 5:1-4;1 Jn. 4:6; 2 Jn. 9-11). The questions are preceded by the banner,

“What Saith The Scripture? (Romans 4:3),” with a request for information on “what you believe the Bible teaches on a number of matters. Our purpose is not to create a creed, because we recognize that the New Testament itself reveals the pattern of sound words, and we can neither add to it nor subtract from it.” The elders said the list is in no sense “final or exhaustive.” Only the Bible, not these questions, is the “authoritative doctrinal formula,” “standard of ministerial qualifications,” etc. (“creed” definitions cited by Turner). The Apostles’ Creed is so called because that is what it claims to be. Our questions are called nothing more than questions because that is all they claim to be. We fully endorse the quotations from Lard and Campbell upholding the Bible and rejecting human creeds.

Brother Turner, the elders, and I agree:

Did not Jesus, Peter, and other disciples reply to specific questions asked of them (Jn. 4:9; Acts 11:1-3; Matt. 16:13)? Yes, specific situations provoked appropriate questions, and were answered in the light of truth (Matt. 22:230.

The elders explained the specific situation which provoked appropriate questions: “Dangerous error and a spirit of compromise are spreading.” “Preachers whom we have all known and loved in the past have embraced or excused a number of strange doctrines (Heb. 13:9).” Brother Turner wonders why not question only those believed to be “in error.” That is a judgment call; the elders tried to be impartial, and men they thought to be sound are revealing very unsound views in recent years. Can he offer any advice on how elders can ask questions of preachers considered for support without being charged with creed-making?

Brother Turner, the elders, and I agree that 28 questions cannot identify those who fully “walk in the old paths.” The elders spoke in the context of the old paths on the subjects specified, then explicitly said the topics covered are “not…a creed,” not “final or exhaustive,” “because we recognize that the New Testament itself reveals the pattern of sound words, and we can neither add to it nor subtract from it.” As to “fellowship,” the elders refer to financial fellowship, meaning they will not support men “carried about with every wind of doctrine” (Phil. 4:15-16; Eph. 4:14; 2 Jn. 9-11). For instance, the elders will not support men to preach that saints and sinners have different marriage laws, that “abortion-on-demand” is “a matter of personal choice,” or that churches are apostate for providing “the Sunday night communion” (sample questions). Brother Turner will commend the elders for that determination and agree it is scriptural not creedal. The elders do not refuse to support anyone because of a variation in interpreting a question, lack of 100% agreement on every aspect of a subject, or a man’s preference of another format for stating his stand. All those variables occurred without anyone losing his support!

Paul warned of men who “depart from the faith” by teaching “fables and endless genealogies,” “science falselyso called,” “the resurrection is past already,” “forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats” (1-2 Tim.). He did not mean that those six issues alone are the sum total of the faith, nor that soundness on “the 6” (or “the 28”) is a sufficient “test for orthodoxy,” nor that the only way to depart is by embracing those six errors. “The 6” are “less than the whole truth,” but reflect elements of truth. It could be said, “Men who are drifting would resent and would refuse to answer these six simple questions, but men who uphold the truth are always glad to `give an answer’ speaking `as the oracles of God’ on any Bible subject (1 Pet. 3:15; 4:11).” If someone felt he had a valid reason for not answering, he could offer it. Just as early elders could have asked men about “the 6” without creating a human creed, so can elders today. Hopefully, brother Turner will agree.

The elders asked questions in an effort to avoid creedalism. To support preachers sound on the music issue but not on premillennialism, or sound on those matters but not on institutionalism, or sound on all those subjects but not on divorce and remarriage, is rank creedalism. We agree on that principle. The only question is how to learn where a man stands. The alternative to don’t-ask-don’t-tell and to creedalism is to ask direct Bible questions like our elders did. When to ask, by word or letter, and what to ask, are matters of judgment for each local church. We do not bind our judgment on others, nor wish them to bind a prohibition on us (Rom. 14:1-3). Either extreme is creedalism.

The real danger is not elders asking questions but brethren winking at the unmistakable signs of a new apostasy. Too many brethren are compromising with flagrant error on divorce and remarriage (Matt. 19:9), sectarian and liberal concepts (1 Tim. 4:1-3), unity in doctrinal diversity (2 Jn. 9-11), the positive mental attitude philosophy (2 Tim. 4:1-5), and rampant worldliness (Rom. 12:1-2). We all agree saints must question preachers about these serious dangers but disagree only on when and how. While differing on this one judgment, “we be brethren” in a common cause, not enemies at war with each other (Gen. 13:8; Phil. 1:27).

Guardian of Truth XXXVIII: 11, p. 18-19
June 2, 1994

A List of Questions Can Human Creed

By Robert F. Turner

First, what has been done? (1) A list of 28 questions was sent to 19 or more men, inlcuding men they believed to be sound. This was more than a simple investigation of prospective preachers whose soundness they had reason to doubt. (2) The questions were accompanied by a letter stating, “This will confirm and demonstrate to the brethren here that every single man with whom this church has fellowship continues to walk `in the old paths’ of divine revelation. . .” That says “fellowship” may hinge on these questions, as they identify those who “walk in the old paths of divine revelation. . .” a big order indeed for 28 questions. Moreoever, (3) the letter says, “men who are drifting would resent and would refuse to answer these simple questions.” That anticipates and impugns the motives of all who would take no part in this process.

I do not believe whoever wrote the 28 questions in-tended to write a creed. I believe the senders made an honest mistake, not understanding the essence of a creed, nor recognizing the serious con-sequences. But regardless of good intentions, the elements of a creed are present in what was done. Big oaks from little acorns grow. If a few objective articles could have been published on the essence of creedalism, with no fmger pointing, I believe this thing could have been put to rest with little harm done. But my efforts along this line were hindered. Now I can only pray this “study” will help brethren to recognize and stop creedal developments.

“Creed” is from the Latin credo (meaning “I believe”). Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary says it is “a brief, authoritative doctrinal formual, intended to define at certain points what is held by a congregation, a synod, or a church to be true and essential, and exclude what is held to be false belief” (look up “orthodox”).

Philip Schaff (Creeds of Christendom, Vol. 1: 4), says, “A creed may cover the whole ground of Christian doctrine and practice, or contain only such points as are deemed fundamental and sufficient, or as have been disputed. It may be declarative, or interrogative in form” (like a list of questions that check for orthodoxy).

In the Campbell-Rice Debate on Creeds (773, 778), Rice names two chief purposes. (1) “A creed is intended to be a public declaration of the great doctrines and truths which we, as a body, understand the Bible to teach. It is not a substitute for the Bible, nor a addition to it. (2) “It is a standard of ministerial qualifications, as well as of the qualifications of other church officers” (his emphasis). He further states, “The Presbyterians have deemed it wise to draw up an outline of the doctrines and truths they understand the Scriptures to teach, and to require all who seek the office of the ministry at their hands, to state distinctly whether they so understand them.” Does that sound vaguely familiar?

A List of Questions or A Creed?

Last year, the elders of the West Columbia, Texas cinuccl sent out a questionnaire to those whom it was supporting and inviting tur meetings to find out what they believed on a number of issues. their moti’i we to err sure that the men were teaching the truth, lest they should be unintentionally supporting someone who was teaching false doctrine. There were 28 questions asked, covering a broad range of subjects, ranging from divorce and remarriage to fellowship, and how matters of human judgment (the covering, weddings and funerals in church buildings, etc.) were handled. Most of those who received the questionnaire responded to the questions and many even commended the elders for their efforts to oversee their work However, two men out of twenty-one objected to the questions and charged that, however well intentioned. the elders had taken the first steps toward formulating a written creed, This exchange is designed to examine this issue: Has a church written a human creed when it sends out a list of questions to those it considers for support or to invite for a meeting?” Although brother Turner did not receive the questions from the West Columbia church, he affirms that it is a creed and brother Halbrook denies, defending the actions of the West Columbia church where he preaches. Neither side wishes to impugn the motives or intentions of the other in this discussion.

Brother Turner initially sent me an article about the subject. Because I had been invited to hold a meeting at West Columbia, I was familiar with the questions and recognized the situation to which he was responding. I hesitated to publish the material. In the meantime, l received another article on the subject from another point of view which I also hesitated to publish. W hen brother Turner contacted me about publishing his article, I suggested publishing the two side by side without additional comment. After reading the other article, we agreed that something better could be arranged. At this point, I contacted brother Halbrook to ask him to defend the practice of the church at West Columbia. Hence, the following arrangement was agreed upon by both brother Halbrook and brother Turner.

Today many think of creeds as synonymous with false doctrines. Most of man’s work does contain error, but a man written list of “I believes,” while not all truth, could be all true and still be a creed. Error is not an essential characteristic of creeds. Note!

I believe in God the Father Almighty and in Jesus Christ his only begotten Son our Lord, who was born of the Holy Ghost and the virgin Mary; crucified under Pontius Pilate, and buried; the third day he rose from the dead; he ascended into heaven and sitteth at the right hand of the Father; from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead; and in the Holy Ghost, the holy church, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, the life everlasting.

This so-called Apostles’ Creed, thought to be the first man-made creed in “Christianity,” was inserted in a letter from Marcellus of Ancyra, about 341, “with a view to prove his orthodoxy” (Philip Schaff, Creeds of Christendom, Vol. 2:48). When men of our day set up a document to test for orthodoxy they should expect those who know the history of creeds to question it. Even when true, it is more or less than the whole truth, and promotes man-made standards.

Lard’s Quarterly (Vol. 1, p. 600 published an article on creeds saying, “Aside even from any thing a human creed may contain, we condemn it per se.” And again, “The degrees of approximation to truth are not the point. The thing itself is an apostasy.” In Christian Baptist (Vol. 2:44), A. Campbell says, “I object to all human creeds as terms of communion (fellowship, rt). (1) They say, in effect, `the form of sound words’ (N.T. alone) is not well adapted to our needs. (2) They are designed to exclude the evil and receive the good; but good men will not subscribe for sake of place or office in any church, while evil men who want place or office will subscribe whether they believe or not. (3) They are a source of division.” In Vol. 4, p. 177, he says, “I contend for one divine and infallible creed, and you argue for a human and fallible one along with it, or for the `principle’ of having two creeds.”

I also believe and am confident that I know the truth. I will, and must teach others what “I believe.” But I must insist they look to God for their standard, and not to my beliefs. I have no doubt the senders of the “28” will agree to that statement. But what they did violates its principle  an honest mistake that begs correction.

In a different field, yet condemning inner circle comparisons and urging all to look outside themselves to God’s “rule,” Paul put it clearly. “We dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they, measuring them-selves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure toreach even unto you” (2 Cor. 10:12-13).

The “28 questions” are a fixed identical unit, sent alike to all being tested. This can not be justified by Acts 20:28-32, because Paul, for that job, commended them to the “word of (God’s) grace” (v. 32), not by 1 Peter 3:15, for our “reason for hope” is found in the whole truth, not in the “28.” There is no justification in 1 Peter 5:1-4, for feeding the flock requires pointing them to “the Chief Shepherd” whose message is in divine form (the N.T.), not in a specialized unit like the “28.” We do not “try the spirits” by the “28,” but by the words of inspired messengers (1 Jn. 4:6). The “28” is inadequate for guarding against “transgression” (2 Jn. 9-11), for John made the whole “doctrine of Christ” the standard.

Did not Jesus, Peter, and other disciples reply to specific questions asked of them (Jn. 4:9; Acts 11:1-3; Matt. 16:13)? Yes, specific situations provoked appropriate questions, and were answered in the light of truth (Matt. 22:230. But where were either soundness or error tested by a fixed unit of questions? If any elders have reason to believe a prospective teacher is in error, they should question him specifically; not send him the “28” to be used as a testing stone. That is where creedal elements come in. We need not be surprised if the “28” are used by other churches . . . and the creedal concept spreads. Brethren, this is a dangerous course.

The converting of God’s words into thoughts in man’s mind is called “interpretation”; and the words of the “28” must also be “interpreted”  in this case without the advantage of inspired words to study. The reader must assume he knows the writers use of “preaching … the church,” how the kingdom figure is “synonymous” with church (I assume like “flock,” “army,” etc.), and like interpretive problems. I believe I know who wrote the “28,” can be charitable, and believe my answers would be accepted. But had I been sent this “test” I would not have signed it  not because of its content, but because of its creedal tendencies. Now here is the contrariety of such matters. Agree to the content and I am “in.” Question its tendencies (dare to write such an article as this) and according to some I am egotistical, hiding my convictions, afraid of questions, and so, on and on. I do not approve of such tactics from either side.

I welcome brother Halbrook’s efforts to defend the use of the “28,” and sincerely hope he will do just that. The “28” is certainly not personally oriented. My contacts and correspondence with Ron have been congenial and mutually respectful; and I expect his work and mine to be objective and free from impugning motives. I have stayed in the home of one elder who signed the letter accompanying the “28,” and regard him highly. I do not believe either Ron or his elders intended to write a creed, or purposefully used creedal characteristics. We are both interested in pointing all to God’s perfect message, and to this end invite your prayerful attention.

Guardian of Truth XXXVIII: 11, p. 16-17
June 2, 1994